太厉害了，拜师。
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1. 社区秉承公平公正原则，玩家举报属于合理合法请求正常受理，查询后台数据统计后确实多项指标高于常人，部分指标异于常人，给予前置保护措施进行封禁并无任何不妥。
2. 事发后嫌疑人朋友发帖进行探讨本来无任何问题，但是在后续发言中将玩家举报和社区封禁混为一谈，后续更是上升到阴阳怪气、指桑骂槐，社区是否可以理解为寻衅滋事？
3. 嫌疑人在后续过程中联系管理说明缘故协商后同意自证，这才是正确的处事之道，社区在考据多方面数据和情报后解除封禁转为观察也是符合玩家建议和意愿，落实公平公正。
若后续嫌疑人朋友无法给予任何合理解释，依寻衅滋事处理。
到底是什么情况，我忍不住登录回复了{:6_447:}
ub论坛真是注册对了
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Yuera 发表于 2024-9-2 20:33
1. 社区秉承公平公正原则，玩家举报属于合理合法请求正常受理，查询后台数据统计后确实多项指标高于常人， ...
我得先想想，一条一条给你回复一下：
1.前置保护措施至少得告知当事人一声，先斩后奏在人不知情的情况下ban0，确定对当事人公平公正？
2.在众多玩家舆论攻击压力的情况下，官方并没有对玩家进行任何保护，放任玩家去攻击去阴阳怪气，这件事情对我来说是让人愤恨和无法理解的。（对一名开枪断后的玩家，伤害打第一被攻击然后ban0，是否代表不鼓励开枪呢。）
3.在没有确凿证据的情况下，正确的做法应该是先联系当事人，先让他自证或者提前发出告知，就你们视奸那么久看别人视角都没看出明显问题，也不问别人一声。江豫川这人有点社恐的，如果他ban0没人为他发声，这事情是否就不了了之了呢？
4.还有，对寻畔滋事的说法，这事情你们先对江豫川本人阴阳怪气攻击了一个星期。是谁先寻谁，因为别人不在乎所以就可以理所应当的欺压？哪怕你们前面任何一个环节做到了，这个帖子都不会出来，混为一谈更是笑话，本就因为恶意举报才有封禁ban0，如果大伙都耐心一点，宽容一点，在审查核实后并逾期沟通再下判断，那这事情就不会有。（但你说我寻畔滋事，确实是有，因为我不是那种看兄弟被攻击一个星期然后被ban0能忍得住的人，我说过我比较感性，既然这个事情出来了，那我的看法依然不变，开枪断后认真玩的玩家，每天玩那么多天ub，然后被ban0！）
5.吐槽一下这个自证的方式，打5e，相信5e反作弊，哥们能别逗我笑吗，5600小时csgo的玩家，完美钻石s,就玩了那么久游戏视角没看出明显问题然后数据有点问题就ban0？还有那些要什么露手直播的，证据都不足还先要别人自证，离谱到闹笑话了。和这别人玩那么久游戏到了这里就要是外挂了咯。
6.最后说一句，当事人是脾气好，愿意友善跟你沟通，不代表别人会对这种先斩后奏，被你们 寻 畔 滋 事 有容忍，他可以友善但我不行。
然后再跟那些煽风点火的哥们说一句，三人成虎，聚众攻击，“以前从未自证成功”，“不都是这样处理的吗”，“不都说你有挂吗”，一开始就带着有色眼镜去看人那我确实无话可说，如果没问题的人要被枪指着，还要被攻击寻畔滋事，那你们对当事人有哪怕一点尊重吗？看热闹不嫌事大，对，因为被ban，被攻击的不是你，所以你拱火看热闹，确实没毛病。但是，以前这样做是错的不代表现在这样做是对的。
如果这件事情没人站出来，不会又以为封了一个而沾沾自喜吧。
我再说一遍，当事人没意见是因为别人脾气好懒得跟你计较，干出这种龌龊事还提公平公正，那我就哈哈了：）
还有你们的办事效率，下午给人ban了然后人就不在了，别人想找自证还得苦苦等待五六个小时等你有空？然后打完五场5E定级，打完都凌晨一点了，这流程是否有点抽象了，合着就别人花的精力和时间不要钱是吧，这样处理事情确定妥当？
说真的，槽点太多给我都整无语了，你真的有站在过当事人的视角哪怕一秒钟吗
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本帖最后由 dogenya 于 2024-9-2 22:30 编辑
这件事情可大可小，本事早在一周之前就可以解决，论坛上但凡有管理能说一句，需要找本人/需要提供证据、第一视角甚至是摄手视频，我认为这件事情都不会发展成现在这副模样。论坛是合理讨论的地方，不是阴阳怪气的地方，出现这种帖子data:image/png;base64,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我认为论坛管理有责任进行简单的确认，甚至只需要回帖“寻人”即可解决，但可惜的是，这一切都没有发生。事实上确实是有人看到帖子并曾告知过当事人被挂论坛并被攻击外挂的事，当事人只回复了一句“没事，不在意，我玩我的”，故没有对帖子进行过多的跟进与回复。
部分热心朋友加各种群时本身是为了能找到有能力解决问题的人，但可惜部分管理反馈不管此事，也有部分长时间未回的，加上大群里一些吃瓜甚至是拱火的群友，你一句我一句，战火自然就被点燃，最后甚至演变到互相阴阳与攻击社区的行径。个人认为既然事情已经解决，当事人也拿到了他认为公正的答复，希望在过了7天的考察期彻底洗清嫌疑后，极个别群友请留一点口德，后续也请不要张口闭口就是挂钩，什么从未自证成功过，观感确实令人不适。此事一过，互相闭口，就当什么都没发生过，毕竟你我只是臭打游戏的，该吃吃该喝喝。
另外还有一些本与此事无关的，本想“热心”帮当事人说几句话，后续发展到加大群与群友互相攻击的“热心网友”，我也恳请这部分人能闭嘴退群，不再打扰群友的清净与愉快的讨论氛围，毕竟这部分人本就与此次争端甚至与ub社区没有关系。
个人虽与当事人常玩竞技、ze，当事人受到欺负本人确实也不是很开心，但本人近期也是在收到小丑鱼的邀请后常与当事人玩ub，在近期的游玩中个人也认为ub是一个很包容的社区。既然事情已经解决，希望本事能够翻篇，不要再互相咄咄逼人，各自能留一个台阶下，退一步海阔天空。
希望ub社区能够越办越好！
你觉得你有理那无妨，我也按我的规则办事就是。
1.前置保护措施至少得告知当事人一声，先斩后奏在人不知情的情况下ban0，确定对当事人公平公正？
1. 你看看哪家平台前置保护有通知当事人的
2.在众多玩家舆论攻击压力的情况下，官方并没有对玩家进行任何保护，放任玩家去攻击去阴阳怪气，这件事情对我来说是让人愤恨和无法理解的。（对一名开枪断后的玩家，伤害打第一被攻击然后ban0，是否代表不鼓励开枪呢。）
2. 官方下场保护嫌疑人？
3.在没有确凿证据的情况下，正确的做法应该是先联系当事人，先让他自证或者提前发出告知，就你们视奸那么久看别人视角都没看出明显问题，也不问别人一声。江豫川这人有点社恐的，如果他ban0没人为他发声，这事情是否就不了了之了呢？
3. 同1，封禁可不只是根据玩家举报
4.还有，对寻畔滋事的说法，这事情你们先对江豫川本人阴阳怪气攻击了一个星期。是谁先寻谁，因为别人不在乎所以就可以理所应当的欺压？哪怕你们前面任何一个环节做到了，这个帖子都不会出来，混为一谈更是笑话，本就因为恶意举报才有封禁ban0，如果大伙都耐心一点，宽容一点，在审查核实后并逾期沟通再下判断，那这事情就不会有。（但你说我寻畔滋事，确实是有，因为我不是那种看兄弟被攻击一个星期然后被ban0能忍得住的人，我说过我比较感性，既然这个事情出来了，那我的看法依然不变，开枪断后认真玩的玩家，每天玩那么多天ub，然后被ban0！）
4. 同2，当事人不出面让社区下场？
5.吐槽一下这个自证的方式，打5e，相信5e反作弊，哥们能别逗我笑吗，5600小时csgo的玩家，完美钻石s,就玩了那么久游戏视角没看出明显问题然后数据有点问题就ban0？还有那些要什么露手直播的，证据都不足还先要别人自证，离谱到闹笑话了。和这别人玩那么久游戏到了这里就要是外挂了咯。
5. 完美钻S挂还少吗，最后一次完美平台游玩记录是4月份，5E平台一场没打过，我要求打5E很过分吗？5E反作弊比完美强难道不是事实？
6.最后说一句，当事人是脾气好，愿意友善跟你沟通，不代表别人会对这种先斩后奏，被你们 寻 畔 滋 事 有容忍，他可以友善但我不行。
6. 你说的对，这就是社会，打抱不平并不能解决问题。
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dogenya 发表于 2024-9-2 22:26
这件事情可大可小，本事早在一周之前就可以解决，论坛上但凡有管理能说一句，需要找本人/需要提供证据、第 ...
玩家针对的是嫌疑人，在未收到明确举报之前社区是不需要出面的，当事人出面答疑更有利于事件的结果。
不管结果如何社区都是优先站在中立场合，并不是谁举报谁有理，要不然玩家帖子也不至于放一周。